106 – EPILEPTIC PROPHET PART 2 WITH ABDULLAH GONDAL AND DR ALI RIZVI
This episode is the second installment in the series ‘The Epileptic Prophet’ in which we discuss Muhammad’s neurological condition and possible epilepsy. We were joined by Dr. Ali A. Rizvi to help us with his take on this topic based on his experience as a medical doctor specializing in pathology.
We kicked off the discussion by giving a quick recap of the first episode in this series. We then move moved on to talk about Muhammad’s postictal psychosis symptoms while he was receiving revelation. We then compared the descriptions of Muhammad’s condition in the Islamic literature to the symptoms of contemporary epilepsy patients. Additionally, we listened in on an interview by Dr. Dede Korkut in which he explains psychosis and behavioral changes in epilepsy patients.
The conversation then moved on to how Islamic scholars and the Muslim population in general attribute epilepsy to jinn possession. We went through various hadith, Quranic verses, and other Islamic literature that support this idea. We also responded to Farid’s assertion that people around Muhammad did not notice or record any accounts of Muhammad having seizure-like symptoms or epilepsy. We presented numerous Quranic verses and hadith in which people thought that Muhammad was crazy, mad, or jinn possessed.
Finally, we discussed Muhammad’s conditions while receiving revelation. We talked about Muhammad’s auditory hallucinations, his convulsive seizures, and his paroxysm. To support our claims we went through a vast number of Quranic verses, Seerah, Hadith, and tafsir and we compared them to the books on Muhammad written by neuroscience experts. A full list of resources referenced in this presentation can be found on the link in the description below.
I urge you to take a listen and also to check out the sources we used.
Epileptic Prophet Part 1: https://youtu.be/WlO4nZUGVf4
YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/ZI16w6Sl3DE
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:42 A quick recap of part 1
5:07 Post Ictal psychosis of Muhammad
12:48 Pyschosis and behavioral changes – Dr. Dede
17:33 Delusions and how they are directly linked to trauma genies Mairaj – Dr. Abbas.
21:10 Muslim scholars’ opinion on the causes of epilepsy – Jinns causing epilepsy?
26:43 Responding to Farid – The black woman was possessed by jins.
33:07 The Shaman healer – Meccans offered medical help
35:00 Did people around Muhammad notice any seizures? – Responding to Farid’s claims.
44:16 Ringing bells aura – an explanation by Dr. Abbas.
46:25 Channel announcements
46:45 Ringing, buzzing auditory hallucinations.
50:21 Epilepsy patient describing her personal experiences with ringing bells aura
52:52 Hearing bells and seeing humanoid figures – Dr. Dede
56:35 Farid and ringing bells – secondary generalizations
1:01:46 Islamic Scholar’s explanation of Muhammad’s symptoms after hallucinations
1:03:25 Dr. Matthew Wood’s take on the epilepsy of Muhammad.
1:08:31 Comments from the live chat.
1:13:24 Dr. Abbas explaining seizures
1:16:18 ‘BURAHAA’ of revelation
1:17:40 Generalized seizures.
1:22:43 Where are the secondary generalization? – Responding to Farid.
1:31:18 Comments from the live chat
1:35:13 Introducing Ali Rizvi
1:37:28 Dr. Ali Rizvi – symptoms of epilepsy
1:42:00 Is it possible to do a posthumous diagnosis for epilepsy?
1:47:30 Is it possible that trauma contributed immensely to Muhammad’s possible epilepsy?
1:52:22 Feverish trembling – Seerah Ibn Kathir. Anxiety and anxiety disorder.
1:57:36 Muhammad’s psychosis during the first revelation
1:58:42 Muhammad trembling and red face
2:00:28 Kitab Al Maghazi – Muhammad having convulsions before revelations
2:02:27 Muhammad’s condition during revelations – Trembling, shivering
2:21:00 Karl Pfander – Muhammad’s conditions/symptoms when receiving revelations.
2:23:54 Comments from the chat. Near-death experiences. Brain damages and possible effects.
2:33:06 Convenient prophecies – Muhammad’s marriage to Zayd’’s ex-wife
2:40:26 Muhammad symptoms during revelations – hadith
2:52:57 Final remarks and What to expect in the next episode
List of Sources referenced in the episode:
Post Ictal psychosis of Muhammad – https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/challenges-epilepsy/moods-and-behavior/mood-and-behavior-101/psychmairaosis
Psychosis and behavioral changes – Life Alert: The Medical Case of Muhammad by Dr. Dede Korkut
Video – Delusions, trauma, genies mairaj
Do Jinns cause epilepsy? – The Jinn and Human Sickness Remedies in the Light of the Qur’aan and Sunnah, Dr. AbuTMundhir Khaleel ibn Ibraaheem Ameen, Foreword by Waheed ibn ‘Abdus Salaam Baali, Translated by Nasiruddin Al-Khattab, Edited by Dr. Abdul Ahaa (Alig.) p51-52
Do Jinns cause epilepsy? – https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1059131112000040
The black woman with epilepsy – https://islamqa.info/en/answers/9117/is-epilepsy-caused-by-the-jinn
The Shaman healer – Meccans offered medical help: Sahih Muslim bk7 hadith 58, Ibn Ishaq p186
Muhammad was crazy, mad, and Jinn possessed? – Quran 21/5, 15/6, 69/41 – 42, 37/36, 68/51, 34/46, 52/29
Why was Muhammad called crazy by the Meccans? -Imam Raazi tafsir 15:6 & 7:184
Ringing and buzzing auditory hallucinations – https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/autosomal-dominant-partial-epilepsy-with-auditory-features/
Convulsive seizures and ears – Carl Stamm https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/105899
Muhammad hears ringing bells “…hardest upon me …” – Sahih Buk43 khari 3215 bk59 hadith 26, Sunan an-Nasai 933 bk11 hadith 58, Sahih Bukhari 2 bk1 hadith 2, Sahih Muslim 2333b hadith 117
Hearing bells and seeing humanoid figures – Life Alert: The Medical Case of Muhammad by Dr. Dede Korkut
Muhammad would shiver like a fever after ringing bells sound – AL-MUFHIM LIMA ASHKALA MIN TALKHIS MUSLIM
Dr. Matthew Woods describes the epilepsy of Muhammad – Mohammad in spite of epilepsy p69, 81 – 83
‘Burahaa’ of revelations – Lane’s lexicon
Muhammad would be seized by convulsions/trembling and sweating like pearls – Khasais al Kubra
Burhan al Quran – the first revelation
The intense distress/pangs of a revelation: Itqan Fi Uloom Ul Quran – Suyuti
Muhammad being seized by severe trembling/convulsions: Muajam al Awsat – Tabrani – Sahih
Muhammad being seized by severe trembling/convulsions: Nubuwwat Muhammad Fi al Quran page 196
Paroxysm – Tafsir Ayyashi 12:110
Feverish trembling during revelations – Seerah Ibn Kathir p285
Severe fits of revelation – Hashia Qunooni
Trembling and red face: Tafsir Shinqeeti
Kitab al Maghazi – translated by Rizwi – Amal Ismail – Abdul Kader Tayob p161
Severe trembling and great pain during the revelation: Muhammad – Prophet of God by Daniel Peterson
Muhammad being seized by trembling – Dar Manshoor
Muhammad being seized by trembling – Hashiya Muhiyuddin Shaykh
Hashiya Saawi – Tafsir Jalalayn: Muhammad being overtaken by trembling
Muhammad being gripped by trembling – Ibn Abdil -Bab Fi Uloom Ul Quran
Muhammad shivering upon revelation – Ibn Adil
Being by trembling – Kiab Aya ib al Majluqat – Damiri
Muhammad’s beard trembling whenever he received the revelation: Kitab Hayat al Hayawan al Kubra – Damiri, Tafsir Al Qurtubi
Receiving the revelation was extremely stressful – Kitab al Maghazi
Muhammad’s seizure symptoms while receiving the revelation – Mizan Ul Haq – Karl Pfander p121
Muhammad’s severe shaking – Muajam Al Kabir -Tabrani
Muhammad’s seizure symptoms while receiving the revelation – Seerat Halbiya
Muhammad’s seizure symptoms while receiving the revelation – Tafsir Fath al Qadeer – Shawkani
Muhammad being seized by trembling – Tafseer Al Muneer, Tafseer Al Aloosi, Tafsir Fatah Bayan – Sideeq Hassan Khan, Tafsir Al Qurtubi, Bidayah Wan Nihaya – Ibn Kathir,
The usual convulsions – Life of Muhammad Haykal p362
Muhammad’s suffering and anguish during the coming down of revelation – Sharh Nisai
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